April 19, 2009 05:00 PM
Che Guevara on Issues and Answers - 1964
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With the renewed interest in Cuba and the possibility of talks a potential reality, not to mention we're coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Cuban revolution and the rise to power of Fidel Castro, I thought it would be interesting to present a Sunday Talk Show from 1964 featuring a rare interview with Che Guevara. ABC's Issues and Answers, in pretty much the same mold as Meet The Press and Face The Nation, this interview, conducted in Havana pulled no punches.
Guevara is heard through an interpreter and now that we have the Crooks and Liars Media player, you get to hear the whole thing, uncut, exactly as presented on March 24, 1964.
(Had he lived, he'd be 80 this year
Here in the U.S.
Cuba is a nation that has fed, educated and provided health care for its children.
Show me how we are superior.
The Congress could not find $10 billion for S Chip but has blown up Iraq from one end to other.
It now hands over trillions to the oligarchs.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
and we want their money. . . lol why lie?
Every since 1947 with the National Security Act, the invention of the CIA, the MIC and the Cold War to guarantee the war bucks keep flowing we have had non stop anti socialist propaganda.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
It amazing in listening to this how utterly brainwashed the interviewer is.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
They did all this while under a brutal blockade by the worlds leading superpower.
the lottery, and youtube. That makes us far superior.
forget Wal Mart, (as they are licking their chops, ready to pounce)
It's also a nation that locked up thousands of political dissidents while it keeps its entire population prisoned on a island. I'll take one for superiority.
We don't want to here about that!
When we were starting up as a country, whats your point?
Link?
http://www.sidis.net/TSChap26.htm
You won't read it anyway, it doesn't fit your lily white view
to insult me.
but I post this link around a lot and I find it fascinating, but no one ever reads it.
I've read the whole thing a couple of times just to suck it all in
Just read it here.
There's more chapters also. Go to the main page link if you so choose.
Kinda turns everything you've been told at the education facilities on its head somewhat, doesn't it.
They're right, the rich write the history of this country.
That's why GWB is going to wait a while on his.
I can not read the site because the black background and yellow lettering blinds me.
Seriously, my eyes water just looking at it.
If someone wants their site read, they must make it easy on the eyes.
funny, it's purple background and white lettering for me...here you go, a b&w version
http://www.sidis.net/TSChap26bw.htm
And if you are a native feller, I suggest you read all of the chapters. The Okamakammessets compiled and edited this, supposedly.
http://www.sidis.net/TSContentsbw.htm
Just click on the chapter number and yer in.
and whats your point? That something that happened over two hundred years ago has relevance to how the Cuban athourites are treating its citizens now?
geez
you know part with the native Americans... the ones who were here before. Trail of tears, manifest destiny, etc.
that officially uses torture and locks up and sometimes kills its own political dissidents. And lately, it's not too easy to get out of the US either, thanks to our new "homeland security" apparatus.
He would be 81 this June 14th, if you go with certain accounts. Other accounts have the date as the same day in May of '28. Either way, he was born in 1928, not 1929.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
The USA has the highest per capita prison population in the world, larger than China.
The USA has a coercive relationship with the rest of the world, particularly the developing countries where we routinely overthrow those that don't do as we say.
It is indicative of our declining power that we aren't getting away with it as much as previously.
We have had 50 years of sanctions on a neighbor who couldn't hurt us if they wanted to.
The antagonism to Cuba has been completely irrational.
I am sorry they are not democratic.
I am MORE sorry that we are not democratic.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
There was a great show on Frontline I think, about Cuba. The kids are educated, there is health care, no homeless. They do a lot of things I or we might like, but I'll take the education anyday after what we've been spending our money on for the past 8 years.
The bank and insurance execs love our "democracy".
by the CIA...". Specifically by Felix Rodriguez, the CIA agent who later went on to run death squads in Vietnam and George HW Bush's cocaine smuggling operation in Central America. Such interesting friends the Bushes have, no?
They were coincidentally friends with the Hinkleys whose son tried to assassinate Reagan.
They were coincidentally friends with the Bin Ladens.
And on... and on...
Bush Sr. sure did manage to play "affable dumb twit" down to an art form, didn't he?
on the history of U.S.-led operations in South America, and the CIA installations of dictators like Pinochet, the Shaw and Hussein, around the world.
How can we, as U.S. citizens, understand our place in the world if we whitewash our history, the way we were told the USSR did to their kids?
It's time we end the oversimplification of complex political and economic issues. Obviously, Guevara was interested in trade relations. Communist or not, trade is important. It certainly hasn't stopped us from trading with China.
that was started by Republicans so it's ok
Batista was no angel. Castro also has much blood on his hands. Nor was Castro a communist (before he was forced to get protection from the Soviet Union).
But it’s time to let the Cuban people off the hook. They are the ones who have suffered the longest for the sake of political posturing.
Our confrontational form of politics with Cuba over the last 50 years has not produced anything redemptive unless you get sadistic and selfish pleasure from being righteous and judgmental like the GOP does.
Two wrongs do not make things right. Time to abandon this historical anachronism immediately in favor of a meaningful dialogue and mutually beneficial relationship, plus us cigar smokers could sure use some Cohiba Esplendidos and Monte 2's.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Had he
livednot been assasinated by the CIAI remember telling anyone who would listen back in hight school that an embargo was the wrong way to go. Flood them with electionic equipment (as limited as it was in the 60s), household and personal items etc. and they will be capitalist again in no time. Or better yet send them aid and make up for the Batista years, but alas it was not to be. The USA wanted Cuba as little more than slaves as with most of Latin America at that time.
Wow. The people trying to compare the Cuba and the U.S. Someone has already mentioned the obvious fact of the political dissidents imprisoned. Also keep in mind that Castro's regime cracked down on homosexual activity after taking reign in the 60's. I believe that most of America has a bigoted viewpoint on the gay population and their rights, but we don't imprison homosexuals. Just one of the reasons that proves that to try and compare Castro Cuba with America is, at best, naive and a little sad. No one in their right mind is saying that American is spotlessly perfect. Just please don't try to make life in Cuba sound remotely superior.
That being said, I think that Obama's taking the right steps. I hear they make a damn fine cigar in Havana, and I'd like to find out for myself.
P.S. - Remember, Che's revolution burned villages, and killed women and children, like any revolution. I have respect for the man, but not for those who put him up on a pedestal or wear him on a fucking t-shirt.
Bad: "that Castro's regime cracked down on homosexual activity after taking reign in the 60's"
That claim is false.
"Che's revolution burned villages, and killed women and children" false too.
Good: Che Guevara I consider him as terrorist as Louis Posada.
He was exporting revolution through Violence.
No one is above the international law.
No one can impose to other countries what he considers as "Better System"
Not the US, Not the Soviets not Che Guevara!
"P.S. - Remember, Che's revolution burned villages, and killed women and children, like any revolution. I have respect for the man, but not for those who put him up on a pedestal or wear him on a fucking t-shirt."
What total bullshit. Provide links to back up that claim.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
You have respect for a man that you claim killed women and children? And you want better relations so you can smoke a cigar? Your post is so hypocritical and self serving that it reeks of the very imperialism Guevara speaks of (had you actually listened to it).
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
"P.S. - Remember, Che's revolution burned villages, and killed women and children, like any revolution. I have respect for the man, but not for those who put him up on a pedestal or wear him on a fucking t-shirt."
Exactly right. Che imprisoned and executed dissidents and "counterrevolutionaries". He did everything he deemed necessary to secure the success of the revolution - like Robespierre, like Trotsky and Lenin. He was completely ruthless. He destroyed innocent, principled people whose only crime was to exercise the same rights Americans enjoy under the US Constitution.
You can't excuse Che's anti-democratic, totalitarian tendencies by pointing out the flaws in American policy. That's a cop-out.
If Che Guevara had not been assassinated and martyred by the CIA, if he had survived any subsequent power struggle with Castro, if he were alive today, he'd be a discredited has-been just like Fidel.
of the Koolaid.
All parroting and no links. Typical.
Suggested reading: Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life, by John Lee Anderson. Anderson is one of the top biographers of our age. His bio was used by Soderberg to make his documentary. They are historically accurate, as opposed to the RW trashing without the benefit of references that we are reading here.
No denying the executions. They were Buautista's torturers, murderers, thieves and henchmen, and received exactly the treatment that they meeted out, just as what many here propose for the war criminals that infest our own government. The villages that were burned were burned by Bautista's troops for helping the guerrillas. If Che did the things that some here claim, the revolution would never have succeeded, because the guerrillas needed those villagers to take the country back. They (the locals) fed them and gave them shelter, and THAT is why they were killed.
Of course, we need not compare the Cuban government to the US. Just look a few millimeters over on a map at Haiti. What a wonderful democracy we have installed there! Let's ask the average person which island nation they would rather be living in.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
Don't forget George Washington and that crowd. American Revolutionaries tarred and feathered counterrevolutionary dissidents. Often they also hanged them.
"Che imprisoned and executed dissidents and "counterrevolutionaries". He did everything he deemed necessary to secure the success of the revolution..."
No shit. That's how it works. What did you expect? That they would just take the island and then walk away? But then, we should all appreciate the palatial residences that Che and Castro lived in. What? No mansions? No palaces? No mercedes? No looting of the treasury? Well, keep trying.
The cognitive dissonance here is just mind boggling.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
"No shit. That's how it works. What did you expect?"
Ah, yes. The old "if you want to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs" argument. This old saw has been used to explain away gross violations of human rights in revolutionary states for 200 years or more. Lincoln Steffens and George Bernard Shaw said words to this effect in the 20s and 30s when they defended Lenin's prison camps (the beginnings of the Gulag system) and Stalin's vicious purges.
And this same way of thinking also was used to justify - and is still used to justify - the abuses of Abu Ghraib, rendition without trial, black prisons, waterboarding, suspension of Habeus Corpus, Gitmo - hell, the whole War on Terror.
When Che ordered the execution of dissidents and counterrevolutionaries without trial, how was he any different from Cheney, Rumsfeld, or the officers who ran Abu Ghraib? How was he any different from Doug Feith or the right-thinking, true-believing neocons who spun the war in Iraq from their cushy offices at the corporate-funded think-tanks? How was he any different from John Yoo, Bush's loyal tenured torture-enabler?
"What total bullshit. Provide links to back up that claim."
Screw links. Read "Venceremos" or "Guerilla Warfare" or even the favorable "Companero". When he was in charge of La Cabana prison, he oversaw the executions of "counterrevolutionaries" without trial. A man named Javier Arzuaga, who was chaplain at the time, has backed this up and has said that this included children.
http://baracuteycubano.blogspot.com/2007/10/f...
And his raids in Nicaragua, D. Republic, etc. were often focused on villages with a civilian population. Villages that were not comprised solely of anti-communist military.
"Your post is so hypocritical and self serving that it reeks of the very imperialism Guevara speaks of (had you actually listened to it"
I admit that I stated my admiration in the shittiest of ways. The young man who wrote "The Motorcycle Diaries" is admirable for his ideas and the passion behind those ideas. It's when he started to put firepower behind those ideas, and developed a more-than-slight taste for power that my respect fades.
And yeah, I'd like a Cuban cigar.
There is no such thing as a bloodless revolution. If you want the REAL change people dream of here, it will be violent. So suck it up or be a statistic.
If Guevara had a more than slight taste for power, then why did he leave Cuba for the jungles of the Congo or Bolivia? Why did he live in a two bedroom home? Why did he work the fields and factories, instead of sitting behind a desk writing proclamations? Why did he accept NO PAY for being the economic reform chief? Those are not the characteristics of a power mad dictator. Come on.
Guevara's biggest flaw was is unwavering ideology. He was convinced that popular uprisings could be brought about by starting with a small army and building from there. But the africans were too complacent, and the Bolivians too scared. Guevara was also not the best military tactician, and was reluctant to accept the concept of retreat to regroup. He was also underfunded and under equipped.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
"There is no such thing as a bloodless revolution. If you want the REAL change people dream of here, it will be violent. So suck it up or be a statistic."
Wow, big talk. I take it you're handloading, stockpiling weapons, training to take it to the man.
No?
F*ck you, pal. You're a poseur and a jerk. Seriously.
Let's not forget all the murders and rapes he committed. might be a slightly bigger flaw than his ideology
Havana Club is primo (had to go to Mexico to get it). And still the US rum makers have tried more than once to steal the title. Not unexpected.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
... We've already passed the 50th anniversary of Fidel's revolution. He and his comrades marched into Havana on Jan. 1, 1959.
His legacy is mixed.
Our policy toward Cuba is wrong.
OK, as you were. Just had to set the record straight.
that vote Rpuke ever going to see that we are the country of two people, the haves and the have nots and that the Rpuke party is the party of haves and their not even close to being in it.
Dems ain't much better but its all we've got to fight the haves.
The Fala speech pretty much says it all.
http://www.hpol.org/fdr/fala/
Wasn't he a murderer and a rapist? Just askin'
FDR or his dog?
was there a trial, evidence, a conviction? Or are you just spamming the thread with bullshit?
me-oww!
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