. . . . And how about that 83rd Congress? - 1954
By Gordonskene Thursday Aug 06, 2009 6:00pm
(Rep. John McCormack (D-Mass) - Rep. Hugh Scott (R. Penn.) - lots of love in that room . . .of a kind.)
In case you were wondering if the cantankerous nature of Capitol Hill was some phenomenon of recent years, let me put you at ease by saying no, it's always been that way.
This broadcast, part of the American Forum Of The Air series from July 25, 1954, features Representative John McCormack (D-Mass.) and Representative Hugh Scott (R.Penn.) discussing what the 83rd Congress has accomplished, just as the House and Senate go on their August recess. The subjects range from taxes to the end of the Korean conflict and the bubbling unrest in Southeast Asia - Vietnam in particular.
McCormick: “ There’s a truce made that could’ve been made far better a year, year and a half prior to the time the truce was made. As the result of it, the Chinese Reds were relieved of their commitments in North Korea and they were able to drive down into Indochina and they were able to help the Communist forces in Indochina. Now coming to the Indochina truce . . . .
Scanlon (interviewer): “Do you think the war should have continued Congressman?” –
Moderator: “Hold it . . . .”
McCormick: “None of us . . .we’re not agreed to . . .we’re not satisfied with that. I’m satisfied that England and France have some kind of deals on that are not for our best interest. I’m suspicious of England and France in connection with what’s going on. I think you and I probably would agree pretty much in that respect. I’m very suspicious about this increase in trade which Mr. Stassen has permitted to go on with the Communist bloc as a peace gesture
Hugh Scott: “ Before you change the subject is there any shooting war going on anywhere in the world today, was my statement . . .
McCormick: “Do you think there’s peace in the world today? There’s certainly not peace in the world today. All I know is, that there’s a couple of million more unfortunate people in Vietnam who are now under the Communists, about a million of them happen to be communicants of the Catholic Church of which you and I are also communicants and I can imagine what kind of rough living they’re going to have under the Communists when they consolidate, the liquidation process they’re going to go through, and I hope there’ll be a good pact established down there that will be able to stop the Communists. But I am fearful there will be extreme difficulty in that respect. I’m hopeful and I will join in a bi-partisan way that will bring any efforts to bring about a pact in Southeast Asia that will stop the Communist on-rush.”
Well . . .more prophetic words weren't spoken much that year. But it did signal what would become our endless Vietnam odyssey soon enough.
McCormack and Scott spar and agree on very little, but they hold their ground. In the end it provides an interesting insight as to the historic nature of government and how discourse can work.
At least they were upfront about it.






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Angry white conservative mobs and Astroturfers attempt to disrupt health care town hall in Tampa http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/tamp...
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too.
You see this is what makes us liberal. They can be violent against us but if we advocate responding in kind the comment gets deleted.
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if dissent was demonstrated during meetings, thugs in business suits quickly swooped in and carried the dissenter feet first from the venue, usually to the cheers and verbal assaults thrown by the crowd. Demonstrations and dissenters were "fenced" blocks away from where Bush couldn't lay eyes on them.
Teabaggers, Birthers, Astroturfers......they're all the same group of people. Angry white conservative mobs who are still bitter they lost a presidential election that couldn't be stolen that put a BLACK Democrat, of all Democrats, in the White House. That was salt in their wounds.
Fear or Loathing: Democrats Raise Specter of Swastikas to Cancel Town Halls.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz7tHAtjteI&fe...
I love the little kid in the audience with his fingers in his ears! Too many adults not using their 'inside' voices...
kids see the world from a different perspective and it doesn't include stupid adults.
I've been trying to tell people what it used to be like when politicians could debate with a healthy knowledge of the subject at hand and respect for each other as well-intentioned public servants.
I wasn't alive for this event, but I know it was still the norm in the sixties and seventies.
Where did we lose it? Regan or Gingrich? You make the call!
without a single doubt.
I was actually thinking Gingrich. But maybe that's just when it went full bore crazy.
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/photogr...
Really, this is propaganda. The United States overturned the Geneva Accord which called for Vietnamese National Elections and installed a puppet regime in the south.
We had been bankrolling the French colonial war and then we took it over from them.
The US China experts had all been purged and there was no one to stand up to observe that the Vietnamese and Chinese disliked each other intensely.
So we heard endless anti communist propaganda and had twenty more years of war.
stop the urge to stomp our boots everywhere in the world while neglecting our own home in the process.
But the 50's has to take the cake. Did John Foster Dulles do anything good?
- Got us involved in Vietnam. (Although most of the blame for the war inevitably falls on McNamara, LBJ, Westmoreland, & Co)
- Overthrew a democratic regime in Iran and reinstated the Shah, screwing us over royally in Iran in the long run, and giving Americans the horrible idea that we could pull shit like that without repercussions. (I'd like to think we know better now, but it seems only one of our two parties does)
- Overthrew a democratic regime in Guatemala.
- Didn't do shit to help a genuine democratic uprising in Hungary that begged for assistance.
The only thing that comes to mind that was somewhat okay was the US opposition to the Suez Crisis. But any benefit we got from that was thrown away by him later openly opposing Nasser (driving Egypt straight into Soviet friendship)..
where have all the people gone my honey
where have all the people gone today
well there's no need for you to be worryin' about those people
you never see those people anyway
Hugh Scott looks like Frank Rizzo
Frank Lives? They must have been twins separated at birth - uncanny resemblance.
The poor Vietnamese Catholics. It's all about religious freedom I guess.
Of course, the truth is, that the Vietnamese Communists were relatively tolerant of religion. Much more so than the Catholic bigots of the Diem regime that we propped up, resulting in the Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc's famous and tragic act of self-immolation.
John McCormack quit school after the eighth grade and became the speaker of the house in 1961!
Why can't we have a few more like this one?
FWIW
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